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trialqw
09-07-2011, 11:32 AM
On an examination the average grade was 74 and the standard deviation was 7. If 12% of the class are given A's and the grades curved to follow a normal distribution, what is the lowest possible A and the highest possible B?

Z= X - mean / SD

Z = X - 74 / 7

I don't know where to put 12%.....

is it Z = 0.12 - 74 / 7 ?

Z = -10.554 and I can't find it on the z table.... please help... thanks...

Link
09-07-2011, 11:41 AM
OK. Let's try to look at this visually.

Think of a bell curve (the normal distribution). The area that is under the curve will add up to 1.

The middle of that bell is the mean (i.e. 74). This means that the left half covers 50% of the students, and the right half covers the 50% scoring better than the average. But you don't want this. You want to find the actual point such that to the right of the point, you'll have 12% of the students; and to the left of the point, you'll have the other 88%.

Are you with me so far? If so, then what you want to do to find this point is use the cdf...that is, you want to use the integral of the pdf for the normal distribution. The cdf will tell you the point at which you have 88% of the students on the left side. Just solve for x at 0.88.

Hope this helps.

trialqw
09-07-2011, 11:51 AM
So putting it visually...

___(88% of the class that did not get an "A")____()_______(12% of the class that got an A)_____

So X is the () ?

Our prof didn't teach us the cdf yet... and I dont even know what cdf stands for.... I googled it and it popped out Cumulative distribution function and I am 100% positive that our prof did not teach that yet...

So I guess I am screwed?

trialqw
09-07-2011, 12:06 PM
ohh or is it..

..............................|
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50% less than ave ....|.........50% that have higher than average
..............................|
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___________________|________________(? point what i am trying to find)__
..............................74 = mean

I am so lost at trying to find (that point)...............

BGM
09-07-2011, 12:12 PM
Anyway you should learn the cumulative distribution function and quantile before you proceed. Otherwise the question is meaningless for you.

trialqw
09-07-2011, 12:26 PM
-_- why the heck is our prof giving giving questions that he didn't even teach yet...... zzzzzzzzz

After researching I reached the point that I should use invNorm in the calculator...
since 88% is to the left of the X, I would then input...
input .88, 74, 7
Can someone help me because I dont have a calc with invNorm function..... to find X that separates the 88% from 12% ....

trialqw
09-07-2011, 12:53 PM
I have 2 unknowns ... the Z ad the X

using Z=invNorm(.12)

Z = x -74 / 7

then do basic algebra stuff to get X.... is that right? or is is it the Z = invNorm(.88, 74, 7) ?
please help...

Link
09-07-2011, 01:10 PM
Well, I don't really want to show you how to do something without knowing that you see how it works. You can use the invnorm function. If you have excel, you can even do it in there. But I'd like to suggest that you first learn and tell us what the invnorm function does first.

trialqw
09-07-2011, 01:13 PM
figured I could just use excel for invNorm functions...

NORM.S.INV. input 0.12
got -1.17

(7) -1.17 = x - 74 (7) / 7

-8.19 = x -74

x = 82.19

Is that correct?

So would 82.19 be the the highest possible B ? and the lowest possible A ?

trialqw
09-07-2011, 01:23 PM
82 is the lowest possible A and highest possible B?

NORM.S.INV is used if SD is 1 or 0 or and the mean is 1 or 0....

I think I should have used the NORM.INV instead of NORM.S.INV because me SD is 7 and mean is 74

since 12% is the upper.. ind inv norm is used left to right from the X or point... I would use 88% or .88

NORM INV (0.88 ,74,7)
= 82.22491

still almost the same as the NORM.S.INV. though....

So my answer stands still 82 is the X... Is that correct? plss help I have to study for pathology and Obstetrics.... exam tomorrow...

Link
09-07-2011, 01:30 PM
So my answer stands still 82 is the X... Is that correct? plss help I have to study for pathology and Obstetrics.... exam tomorrow...

Man...I'm confused as to why you're taking statistics, pathology, and obstretrics at the same time. Is stats just a required curriculum course?

Addressing your question though, the answer does appear correct. It looks like you might have gotten the first method wrong though. How do you get the 7/7?

trialqw
09-07-2011, 01:39 PM
I am from the Philippines.... taking up medicine ~ medical student ~ doctor-to-be... the statistics is part of preventive medicine... oh the 7 / 7 stuff.. It was just part of the algebra part... cancelling etc....

I hope Im correct Im gonna complain to the prof coz he hasn't taught cdf or that INV NORM stufff.... This was just a homework exercise...

okay done Pressed the thanks button Link

oh should this be in the statistics or probability section? lol