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    Estimate average of inverses given the average of the numbers



    Hello,

    I need help in the following:

    I have the average of N numbers (say D1 , D2 , D3 .... , Dn).
    I.e., I have (D1 + D2 + D3 + ... + D4) / N
    but I don't have the numbers themselves


    I want to approximate:

    1/D1 + 1/D2 + 1/D3 + 1/D4 ... + 1/Dn

    or

    (1/D1 + 1/D2 + 1/D3 + 1/D4 ... + 1/Dn) / N

    I don't have the distribution of these numbers, I could assume it as a normal distribution.

    What is the best approximation as the number N becomes large?

    Thank you

    Yacoub Massad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yacoub Massad View Post
    Hello,

    I need help in the following:

    I have the average of N numbers (say D1 , D2 , D3 .... , Dn).
    I.e., I have (D1 + D2 + D3 + ... + D4) / N
    but I don't have the numbers themselves


    I want to approximate:

    1/D1 + 1/D2 + 1/D3 + 1/D4 ... + 1/Dn

    or

    (1/D1 + 1/D2 + 1/D3 + 1/D4 ... + 1/Dn) / N

    I don't have the distribution of these numbers, I could assume it as a normal distribution.

    What is the best approximation as the number N becomes large?

    Thank you

    Yacoub Massad


    I suppose I don't get the point of this. That is, why don't you just use the harmonic mean?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_mean

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    Harmonic mean

    Hello,

    Thanks for the reply.

    My problem is that I have the arithmetic mean, but I don't have the actual numbers, I need a way to calculate 1/d1 + 1/d2 ....

    I can get the actual numbers, but I need to run my experiments again which will take several days. When I ran the experiments I only recorded the average of the outputs, It was later that I realized that what I want is different.

    I have read about the harmonic mean, it equals n / Y where Y is what I am looking for. the number n is available for me. Is there a way to calculate (in approximation) the harmonic mean given the arithmetic mean?


    Regards,

    Yacoub
    Last edited by Yacoub Massad; 05-18-2010 at 01:24 AM.

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    If you have the sample variance estimate \hat {\sigma}^2,
    (by recording D_1^2 + D_2^2 + ... + D_n^2 along with your sample mean estimate \hat {\mu}),
    you may try the taylor expansion:
    E[f(D)] = f(\mu) + \frac {f''(\mu)} {2} \sigma^2
    In your case,
    f(\mu) = \frac {1} {\mu}, f''(\mu) = \frac {2} {\mu^3}
    And then replace \mu and \sigma by their corresponding estimate, we have
    \hat {E}[\frac {1} {D}] = \frac {1} {\hat{\mu}}+ \frac {\hat{\sigma}^2} {\hat{\mu}^3}

    If you do not have \hat {\sigma}^2 and only have \hat {\mu},
    one way is to take the zero order approximation only, i.e.
    \hat {E}[\frac {1} {D}] = \frac {1} {\hat{\mu}}
    which is not accurate in general

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    Variance


    Quote Originally Posted by BGM View Post
    If you have the sample variance estimate \hat {\sigma}^2,
    (by recording D_1^2 + D_2^2 + ... + D_n^2 along with your sample mean estimate \hat {\mu}),
    you may try the taylor expansion:
    E[f(D)] = f(\mu) + \frac {f''(\mu)} {2} \sigma^2
    In your case,
    f(\mu) = \frac {1} {\mu}, f''(\mu) = \frac {2} {\mu^3}
    And then replace \mu and \sigma by their corresponding estimate, we have
    \hat {E}[\frac {1} {D}] = \frac {1} {\hat{\mu}}
+ \frac {\hat{\sigma}^2} {\hat{\mu}^3}

    If you do not have \hat {\sigma}^2 and only have \hat {\mu},
    one way is to take the zero order approximation only, i.e.
    \hat {E}[\frac {1} {D}] = \frac {1} {\hat{\mu}}
    which is not accurate in general
    Thank you. This is what I wanted. Unfortunately, I did not record the variance. I will remember to record it any time I get results in the future

    Yacoub

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